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astridv ([personal profile] astridv) wrote2008-11-23 11:13 pm
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SGA 5.16

The book, it is finished. I'd hop up and down except I'm too wiped. I finished with a week to spare which is awesome, because I need that week for all the stuff I've been putting off for the past month and a half. First order of business: color the missing page five of Rheanna's and my comic, so I can finally update. (With two pages, to make up for the delay :) I'm aiming for tomorrow. Though, dunno, I also plan to spend a couple hours at the gym tomorrow, and maybe even go to the zoo, because I CAN, and I don't have to rush anymore. Hah.

SGA 5.16: More squee. I liked it. A lot. Though I guess, uh, that's not a popular opinion on LJ. I'm trying to avoid negative episode reactions, which means I had to do some skipping and hopping and evading whilst cruising the friends list this morning. [livejournal.com profile] argosy made a support group for McSheppers with a soft spot for McKeller. ;)

I can't help it, I like the two together. I've liked the idea of them ever since that moment in Trio when Jennifer perks up when Rodney told them about his breakup with Katie. Something then just clicked for me. And I actually think they're pretty well matched, at least the way it's played out so far. We'll see where it goes.

The plot itself could've used more of a sense of danger... for me there was no real urgency or tension (and, well, not enough Atlantis) but the character moments and all the petty physicist infighting made up for it. I rather enjoyed watching Rodney going head to head with his peers. (And really, their attitude toward him made sense, considering they all remember SG-1 Rodney, not new, improved Atlantis!Rodney.)

Luckily I'm not totally alone in my liking of this episode...happy reviews: here's one by argosy, one by omglawdork, and one by horridporrid.

(Anonymous) 2008-11-23 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems there are two camps- those who want to romanticize Rodney loved this and those who want to romantacize John didn't.
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-11-24 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd guess the reaction splits along the line of whether people are okay with the McKeller. Makes sense, considering the ship is pretty central to the episode, so if you dislike the ship, there's not much left.
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[identity profile] hibernate.livejournal.com 2008-11-23 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen this episode yet, just wanted to pop in and say here's another McShepper who likes McKay/Keller. :D I didn't at first, but they've grown on me. I wouldn't say I ship them, but I do think they're cute together and well, it wasn't as if we'd actually get any McKay/Sheppard in canon anyway.
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-11-24 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
and well, it wasn't as if we'd actually get any McKay/Sheppard in canon anyway.

Yes. Well, not more than what we've been getting so far, anyway.

I think I'm still predominantly a genficcer, and I don't really have an OTP in this fandom. That makes it a lot easier to enjoy canon developments. The closest I come to an OTP would've been McKay/Carter, but I've given up on getting that either in fic or in canon. *siiigh*

[identity profile] rheanna27.livejournal.com 2008-11-23 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a soft spot for Rodney/Jennifer - I'd be all over it if I weren't invested in my slash ship. And, truthfully, it's not so much that I *don't* like Rodney and Jennifer together, it's that I can't see Rodney and Jennifer together without feeling sad about poor John, off moping somewhere by himself. And, yeah, I know just how irrational that is. (Some day I will have to write something that has Rodney/Jennifer and John/Ronon, making everyone happy.)

YAY COMIC YAY YAY. Y'know, [livejournal.com profile] lizbee linked the other day to a (professional) Doctor Who comic which just had the most dreadful artwork -- Ten and Martha didn't even really look like themselves -- and I thought (again!) how incredibly fortunate I am to get to do The Long Way Home with you. ::smooches you for being amazingly talented::
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-11-24 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
re: comic... interesting. I checked out lizbee's post. I never watched Dr Who so I can't comment on the likenesses, but as to the rest of the artwork, it actually doesn't look half bad to me. Particularly considering that the guy had only 20 days. I don't know if he did both pencils and inks, but even if it was just pencils that's still a hell of a deadline.

Of course, getting the likenesses right is crucial... if you don't you're screwed; it's like messing up the characterizations in fic.

it's that I can't see Rodney and Jennifer together without feeling sad about poor John, off moping somewhere by himself.

Yeah, that is a bit of a problem for me too, because no way how I turn it, I can't see the John/Rodney thing as merely platonic anymore. Before season four, no problem. But by now there's so much canon support for more going on... though I can easily imagine that John just won't ever act on it. Still, that leaves him left out. Yeah, haven't quite worked that out in my head...

(Some day I will have to write something that has Rodney/Jennifer and John/Ronon, making everyone happy.)

Oohhh that would make me happy:O)

[identity profile] rheanna27.livejournal.com 2008-11-24 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that is a bit of a problem for me too, because no way how I turn it, I can't see the John/Rodney thing as merely platonic anymore. Before season four, no problem. But by now there's so much canon support for more going on...

Right. You can't help feeling that the writers/producers are trying to have their cake and eat it, too, which is annoying. I don't expect canonical McShep (at least, I don't expect it to be any more canonical than it got in The Shrine) but there's so much going on there that seeing the show putting Rodney with someone else gives me a weird sense of dissonance watching it -- it's like there's these two completely clashing things going on, and the show wants me to treat them like they're independent, and I can't, because I know that these two things shouldn't exist concurrently without creating a whole heap of conflict that the show's refusing to admit could possibly be there. So, Rodney/Jennifer, fine; Rodney/John, hell yes, but both at once? Makes my head hurt.

It was the likenesses -- or lack of likenesses, really -- that threw me in the comic Lizbee linked to. Comparing it to getting the characterisation wrong in a fic is a good analogy; it throws you out so much that it almost doesn't matter if the rest of it's any good.

[identity profile] horridporrid.livejournal.com 2008-11-24 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
So, Rodney/Jennifer, fine; Rodney/John, hell yes, but both at once? Makes my head hurt.

This is a good point, and it makes me madly curious about how they're going to handle Rodney/Jennifer back on Atlantis. How is John going to react? (I tend to see John carrying a torch for Rodney that Rodney's either not aware of or is choosing to be unaware of.)

It's the sort of question I'd love to see addressed in a fic, but without any character bashing, which might be a tall order at this point.
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-11-26 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the sort of question I'd love to see addressed in a fic, but without any character bashing, which might be a tall order at this point.

Needle/haystack ;o)
If you find one, please share? At the moment I'm mostly staying away from post-ep McShep fics because I've seen enough Keller-bashing to become somewhat distrustful. But I'd love to read fic that deals with this triangle without resorting to character bashing.
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-11-26 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
it's like there's these two completely clashing things going on, and the show wants me to treat them like they're independent, and I can't, because I know that these two things shouldn't exist concurrently without creating a whole heap of conflict that the show's refusing to admit could possibly be there.

That hits the nail on the head. I'm still able to enjoy both things separately because I can compartmentalize to a degree, but it takes some effort to artificially separate them in my head.

Actually I find the meta aspects really fascinating... to address that issue they'd have to admit that it existed in the first place and I'm still not sure whether the writers/producers are aware of it and, if they are, whether they put that whole subtext in intentionally (which I find just hard to imagine) or whether it just snuck in there because of the actors's chemistry. Now there's a question that I would love to see addressed on Mallozzi's blog. I'm really curious at this point. With shows like Torchwood or even Angel, it's way more transparent where the slash is coming from. SGA confuses me.

But yeah, it's interesting. I just wish it wouldn't split the fandom like this. (Not that the reaction comes as a surprise.)

[identity profile] tipper-green.livejournal.com 2008-11-23 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm with you! I thought the episode, especially the ending, was just so sweet! And I've been avoiding LJ because, as you say, it's a totally unpopular opinion. I just basked in the happy and went to sleep in a very good mood. LOL!

I'm so glad you found happy reviews - must go read!

Also, I love your comic so far! I can't wait to see the rest! It's absolutely beautiful!
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-11-24 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
So cool to find others who liked it, too. Actually, one of the sentences I've read rather often was "I thought I was the only one who liked it." Heh.

I was mildly spoiled and a bit anxious how they'd handle it, but oh, it really worked for me. The ending damn nearly made me purr. *g*

I saw a couple more positive reviews, these here are just the ones I remembered off the top of my head. I think argosy linked to more in the comments.

Also, I love your comic so far! I can't wait to see the rest! It's absolutely beautiful!

Oh, thank you! I hope you'll like the next part. :)

[identity profile] horridporrid.livejournal.com 2008-11-24 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay you on finishing the book! And ahead of time, too! :D

And yay for more "Brain Storm" squee!! :D It was such a "feel-good" ep for me that the issues with the story (I agree about the lack of danger, I was kind of hoping the Trust was involved somehow...) pretty much didn't even matter.