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astridv ([personal profile] astridv) wrote2014-05-18 08:30 am

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This whole Grant Ward argument reminds me of Connor on AtS. You know, the guy who got abducted as a baby and was brainwashed by his father’s arch-enemy. He never stood a chance, but the fandom positively loathed him. It was no fun being a Connor fan back in the day. But at least back then the fandom was on Livejournal so the hate was much easier to avoid than on tumblr where the haters are going out of their way to shove it in our faces.

I still remember how after ‘Origin’ suddenly everyone discovered their love for the character and all I could think was “fuck off, you don’t deserve him.”
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2014-05-18 12:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Another reason I'm glad I'm not on Tumblr. Hang in there.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2014-05-18 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm totally baffled. These people really can't have been in fandom long. I mean, it's not that I think some sort of ideological opposition even makes sense in Ward's case, but if you go around fandom like that, you are bound to exhaust yourself with outrage without it having much of any of the political or social impact you want to have. Like HP fandom is full of death eater ideology apologia fanfic that reframes the HP universe to make the pureblood wizard ideology have some valid basis. Also is shipping Voldemort left and right. Sometimes with children, like I've seen fanfic that was explicit Harry/Voldemort with Harry before Hogwarts as prepubescent...

Of course due to sheer size *anything* has a following in HP and its opposite too.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2014-05-18 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
My theory is that there's some overcompensating going on.

It seems really pointless to get outraged over what pairing or character does things for people. I mean, obviously popularity of pairings and characters has a political dimension as society is sexist, racist, etc. etc. but you can't argue with what gets people off (and I'd include the gen id-fic and even narrative comfort food type of storytelling that is much of all fanfic in that category) on ideological grounds.

I have actually tried this as self-improvement project on myself as an outraged baby-feminist from my mid-to-late teens to early twenties, i.e. to limit myself in my voluntary fictional reading to books written by women with female protagonists, because I was appalled how much more I seemed to like and identify with male characters, and I wanted to retrain my preferences. It didn't stick. Actually finding fanfic was the death knell to that project. I read a lot of cool lesbian and feminist genre fiction those years (and I still like it especially for original SF), and it certainly made me far more aware of all the ways fiction can be problematic, but my favorite genre characters skew still overwhelmingly male, and in porn I still get most reliably off on things that are appalling ideologically...

It is kind of a hen-egg problem, that people in a patriarchy will have narrative and sexual kinks (like the ideas of what constitutes heroism or romance) that reinforce patriarchy, same for racist ideologies. I've basically reconciled myself to a position that I try to be aware of how problematic some of my preferences are (rather than get stuck in defensive denial mode), and try to be positive towards fiction that is progressive (like more diverse or not blindly fetishizing militaristic warrior culture or whatever), but that I'm not going to beat myself up for enjoying what I enjoy unless it hurts someone in a more direct way than that it is part of the systemic perpetuation of oppressive ideology or such.
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2014-05-18 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I agree that it doesn't look like any positive changes are the goal of fans who act like that.