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I watched the 'Bones' pilot and liked it. A lot. I wonder when we can expect the first fanfic.

Lots of interesting discussion going on lately regarding fanfic as a literary genre. I have thoughts on the issue myself - who hasn't - but it's only two weeks until San Diego Con... and there's an actual chance I'll be able to finish most of my work before I board the plane. So, not much time for either fanfic or meta.

But in short: No, I don't think fanfic is evil. :oP

And, for example, Robin Hobb's saying, "don't do it," while Joss himself endorses it... let's just say I'm not losing sleep over that moral dilemma. I found Hobb's rant poorly argued and hard to agree with even in parts. (

conversant has written a rather brilliant deconstruction of her argument. When I grow up I want to have a mind as sharp as hers.)

That said, I'd never want to write or read any fic set in Hobb's worlds, knowing that it makes her so obviously miserable. But given her condescending attitude towards fan writers, I doubt I'll ever read any of her books either. It's one thing for an author to make their wishes known - I do understand that other people playing with one's characters can make an author uncomfortable (though, to be honest, I'm of the 'suck it up and deal' school of thought. I think there's very little to be done against fanfic legally.) So, yes, what a writer can do is ask the reader to respect their wishes... reasonably, not categorically slamming a whole genre just because they happen to not like it.

'Cause, you know, having my comic compared to a pornographic manipulation of someone's family photo... I kinda resent that.

As to Lee Goldberg and his friends, who're trying ever so hard to draw a line between themselves (the 'real writers') and the 'soulless' writer-wannabees (aka fan writers): guys, off the top of my head I can list a dozen fanfic writers who're writing profic. Not counting your's truly, who's more of a storyteller than a writer. I could also list dozens, no, hundreds of fanfics that beat the hell out of your average tie-in novel, take its lunch money and leave it bedrazzled in the corner, wondering what the hell just happened.

Well, this got longer than intended. I'll leave it at that.

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I could also list dozens, no, hundreds of fanfics that beat the hell out of your average tie-in novel, take its lunch money and leave it bedrazzled in the corner, wondering what the hell just happened.

That is *priceless*.

And thanks for the link!

If you're referring to the Goldberg link, remember to pack aspirin before reading the, uh, debate.

Read both rants - Hobbs' and Goldberg's - and I think both of 'em are so full of themselves they'll be flying away like Mary Poppins any day now.

Where, oh where, can I dl a copy of the Bones pilot?

Bones (http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=bones). You'll need BitLord, there's a dl link for the program. It works fine; I even could leave my firewall up, just had to disable mobile code control like I do for other downloads.

The file is huge. Took 26 hours but was worth it :o)
Maybe smaller versions are up on the peer-to-peer networks but I don't really trust Kazaa and Shareaza.

Mary Poppins, hah *snicker*
In a way, it's fun to watch.

I wouldn't want to read any fanfic of her novels either, but that'd be because her bloody novels were quite depressing enough!

Eh, that might account for those fix-it fics she seems to resent so much.

This is why I really don’t find it interesting. what an artist has of opinions about other than his art. The writer is “dead” to me. I want the art object, to talk to me with the least amount of filters in my mind. For know do I think that Robin Hobb is a pretty good writer (I was captivated and rushed through her assassin book) who have some not so well thought out personal grudges against fanfic

This is why I really don’t find it interesting. what an artist has of opinions about other than his art. The writer is “dead” to me. I want the art object, to talk to me with the least amount of filters in my mind.

I agree. Authorial intent can be interesting to study, I suppose... in addition. But first and above all it's the work that's speaking to me. The writer by that time has said her thing, she isn't really part of that conversation any longer.

Hobbs sounds like she thinks she can control the exact way the reader should interpret her writing. Absurd. Has she never read a book herself?

As long as I can remember, whenever I found a book or movie or tv-show that captured my imagination, I was writing these little tales in my head. Fanfic, just never written down... ranging from filling-in-gaps to total AU. Are there people who never do that? Not even when they were kids? I'm really starting to wonder.

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Hallelujah to your response.

Preaching to the choir, of course. But the discussion over there is so undisciplined and nasty - and running in circles - that I don't feel like joining in. It's more of a spectator sport.

Fanfic's been around almost since the original STAR TREK went off the air. If those guys want anyone to blame for the outpouring of fanfic, they should blame Paramount for seeing it as a disguised call for new shows.

A witticism from a real Briton might do the trick - something along the lines of "it's ALL fanfic!"

Eh, those guys (Goldberg & Co) just aren't credible in my eyes. They're hiding behind the mantle of moral indignation, but really, they come across as simply being threatened by fanfic. And not without reason, if they're writing media tie-ins. Ah well, maybe the competition will raise the quality of those tie-in novels in the long run. 'Cause, who will be willing to shell out money for a crappily written novel if they can find a carefully crafted story online?

And yeah, those Star Trek guys know exactly to whom they owe the continuing existence of their franchise. Heh.

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