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astridv ([personal profile] astridv) wrote2008-08-22 04:25 pm

Stargate: Universe has been announced (witness my lack of surprise)

Well, Stargate: Universe has been officially announced. And only a day after the announcement that Atlantis got cancelled, figure that! What a coincidence!

Howe said the new series will reinvigorate the franchise by targeting a younger audience.

"This is an opportunity to reinvent this franchise and make it relevant to a new generation," Howe said. "We really don't want to be more of the same. It's going to build clearly off the existing franchise but with a cast that gives it a younger vibe."


Fuck that. It's gotten painfully obvious that Atlantis has to make room for a younger cast, to appeal to a younger audience, and that just annoys the hell out of me. Hey, MGM&Co: I'm 38. Fun fact #1: Shockingly, characters closer to my age tend to be more interesting for me than teens or twentysomethings, generally speaking. No really, it's true! Fun fact #2: I have a lot more money to spend these days than back when I was in my twenties, so to me this obsession with the young audience makes no sense from a marketing perspective, either.

If they have to cancel a show because of bad ratings, I can understand that. But Atlantis was doing well in the ratings and was well-recieved by fans and critics. Yeah, the fandom will manage just fine without new episodes; it just really annoys me that they cancelled it for such bone-headed reasons. Way to show large parts of your fanbase the finger and show them they don't count.

Yeah, I lost my mellow. Shouldn't have read that article... I was doing fine until just now. ;) I'm shutting up now. I have a book to finish, should take three more days, and then I'll color the remaining two scenes of the comic, which are already lettered and betaed. It's pointless fretting over this.

[identity profile] patk.livejournal.com 2008-08-22 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
That's exactly what had me grating my teeth as well.

I wonder if all those target audience 17-25 year old males in the US actually *do* sit in front of a TV-show on a Friday night at 10 p.m. (don't they have *better* things to do at the beginning of a weekend than watch other people's adventures???) *and* spend their oh-so-dispensable money (of which a person this age surely has tons and tons) on the franchise.

You know, I would really, really *love* to see a space adventure show designed for the 35+ females. Completely with Sheppard in a sleeveless black t-shirt and guns in both hands. ;-)
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-22 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that their holy 18-25 male demographic with pockets full of dispensable income is a myth.

Hey, Fanlib were after the male 18-25 fanfic writers too, weren't they? *snerk*

It would be nice if marketers would finally stop discarding anyone not in that elusive age group... but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[identity profile] patk.livejournal.com 2008-08-24 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
>>Hey, Fanlib were after the male 18-25 fanfic writers too, weren't they? *snerk*

Yep. And look how well *that* turned out. *G*

[identity profile] jwaneeta.livejournal.com 2008-08-22 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry it got the ax, I know you really dug it. :(
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-22 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it sucks... I'm mostly annoyed because the show got the ax because of the same old, same old ageist bullshit. It's insulting to the cast and the audience.

[identity profile] jwaneeta.livejournal.com 2008-08-22 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
For real. It's as bad as Angel being cancelled because "only women were watching it."
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[personal profile] naye 2008-08-22 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*hisses at TPTB*

Hey, I'm 28, and I still prefer people with actual character and experience to teh pretty. (Especially since the two aren't mutually exclusive! Mmm, the gray at Joe Flanigan's temples... ♥)

Sigh. Let's see how well this works out. (Though I admit that I'm not going to boycott SG:U just on principle. If nothing else, it's not like my downloading things to watch here in Sweden will do anything to help the ratings. But it'll take a lot to convince me to shell out money for the DVDs.)
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-22 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, I don't intend to boycott either. I'll check it out in any case, you never know... even though the concept doesn't sound particularly appealing.

I don't mind that it sounds like a blatant Voyager ripoff, actually. Voyager always had so much potential but almost never got it right (and I'm saying that fondly, as a fan of the show ;)... if SGU manages to put a fresh spin on that lost in space theme, could be quite cool. I'm very wary of that young cast. I really hope by young they don't mean younger than twenty.

[identity profile] rheanna27.livejournal.com 2008-08-22 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Man, trying to sell your new show by *pissing off* fans of the existing show is such a poor marketing strategy.

One of the things I like about SGA is the fact that not everyone is under 25. And I really don't get why *our* demographic doesn't count. Women have disposable income, too.

Okay, I was quite philosophical, but I'm tipping slowly into murderous rage.
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-22 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Man, trying to sell your new show by *pissing off* fans of the existing show is such a poor marketing strategy.

I KNOW. I'm, frankly, surprised that they haven't waited a week or two. Now really everybody can make the connection, while yesterday some were still calling it conspiracy theory. They must be really excited about their new toy.

Okay, I was quite philosophical, but I'm tipping slowly into murderous rage.

Yeah, me too.

Anyway, here's something for a laugh: There's a clip up on YouTube with that scene from SG-1, where there're mocking the idea of a young, hip SG team. link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWiHSZ4Q5Y). I gotta see that episode.

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[identity profile] newscaper.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
LOL, I'd forgotten about that episode.

How could they go off and do exactly what they'd so perfectly mocked?

I'm quite annoyed and I'm not even a big SGA fan (it often takes me a few days to get around to seeing the DVR'ed Friday night episode... but I was a jilted 'scaper and remember).

As to nicknames... I'm using 'SG-90210' for Universe ;)
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
lj hates me... I'm trying to split up my comment.

>LOL, I'd forgotten about that episode.

I never saw that one! That's one ray of light... so far I've seen only about two, three seasons' worth of SG-1. So when SGA has finished its run, I'll have those remaining eps to watch. I like the show a lot, actually, enough to buy the DVDs... it just never gripped me in that 'must watch immediately' way SGA has.

[identity profile] calcitrix.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Wasn't Richard Dean Anderson brought back for Continuum because fans were screaming for him? How does that tell TPTB that we want a younger cast?

Two million viewers in the ratings every Friday night. *sigh* Apparently they're trying the strategy of "Let's get rid of what works and see what happens."
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
Wasn't Richard Dean Anderson brought back for Continuum because fans were screaming for him? How does that tell TPTB that we want a younger cast?

And ironically, one of the complaints that gets thrown at Keller all the time is that she's too young for the position. A lot of that complaining happens at the producer's blog of all places, so I'm really surprised how TPTB can delude themselves into thinking that a younger cast will cure all ills, or even that it's what we all want. Oh, I forgot, what we want doesn't count because we're not part of their precious target demographic.

[identity profile] newscaper.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
May I be the first to start a new, mocking, meme:

It sounds like... "SG-90210"

yuck.


With a dose of ST:Voyager thrown in too.

This part gets me about an article I just read:

This part is a laugh (not), given how much they were trying to pooh-pooh exactly this aspect of scifi over the last few years in attempt to supposedly broaden their appeal post-Farscape, when they dodged any viewer interest in continuations of JMS's Crusade or Whedon's Firefly.

"We've had great success with 'Enterprise' repeats on Monday night, and there's an appetite for space opera as 'Battlestar' goes away," Sci Fi president Dave Howe said. "There's an opportunity to keep the space opera as part of our programming strategy."

You two-faced bastards.
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
May I be the first to start a new, mocking, meme:

It sounds like... "SG-90210"


*g* way ahead of you. Look at my icon.
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
You two-faced bastards.

Yup. TV is a business, of course it is. But network execs seem tragically out of touch with their audience. I guess we gotta be grateful that quality scifi tv gets produced at all, considering how art and story always have to take second place.

[identity profile] newscaper.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
One real-life business aspect that didn't help, according to a media analyst in another forum I'm on, is that the contracts are always negotiated with year-to-year increases for the talent, so these shows have a tendency to get more expensive to produce even while ratings start inching downward with age. Supposedly that was also an issue with the calculations WRT Farscape.

But they're still idiots at SciFi.

What's crazy is the money they're going to put into Caprica, the BSG prequel that's IMO going to be a harder sell to the broader public whose only hook is if you were already into BSG, for which a lot of people lost some of their early love as the writers floundered around quite a bit with some of the characters since that glorious S1 thru mid S2.
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[identity profile] astridv.livejournal.com 2008-08-23 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
One real-life business aspect that didn't help, according to a media analyst in another forum I'm on, is that the contracts are always negotiated with year-to-year increases for the talent, so these shows have a tendency to get more expensive to produce even while ratings start inching downward with age. Supposedly that was also an issue with the calculations WRT Farscape.

Yeah, shows get more expensive. I was always under the impression that the actors' contracts were up after season six, but it's well possible that had been misinformation. It would explain at least why the show got the ax in its prime, just when it was doing really well. (Ignoring that BS about 'it's doing so well, when we cancel *now* we can make movies yay.')