*snort* You know what's funny? The two people who finally triggered this post, one has a Spike default icon, the other one of Loki, with a Lokisomething username. And the Lokifan has a post - I just skimmed but the gist I got was that you can't compare Ward to Loki because Loki had such a terrible childhood. Ah, they acknowledge that Ward also had a traumatic past, alas Loki had it much worse. You can't make this stuff up.